Trump Again Bashes Rights

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  1. Doc50

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    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Monday complained that under U.S. law, bombing suspect Ahmad Rahami would be treated in a hospital for his injuries, and represented by a lawyer if, and when, he is tried for his alleged role in a string of bombings in New York and New Jersey.

    “Now we will give him amazing hospitalization. He will be taken care of by some of the best doctors in the world,” Trump told the crowd at a rally in Fort Myers, Florida.

    Rahami “will be given a fully modern and updated hospital room, and he’ll probably even have room service, knowing the way our country is,” Trump said. “On top of that, he will be represented by an outstanding lawyer.”

    Trump’s objection to granting Rahami, a U.S. citizen, his constitutional right to due process, which is guaranteed under the Fifth Amendment, is in keeping with other comments Trump has made about national security and individual rights.

    Still, it was chilling to hear Trump scoff at a fundamental American value. He seemed to be saying that criminal suspects should not receive emergency medical care or legal representation.

    Rahami, 28, was taken into custody Monday morning in New Jersey after police identified his fingerprint on an unexploded bomb. After a shootout with police, Rahami was injured and taken to a hospital, where he remains under arrest. The FBI has said that so far there is no evidence that Rahami was part of a “terror cell,” or that he was acting on behalf of a foreign terrorist group such as the so-called Islamic State.

    Trump also complained that Rahami’s punishment might be too lenient, because public anger would likely have subsided by the time Rahami would be sentenced, if he were to be found guilty of the bombings.

    “His case will go through the various court systems for years. And in the end, people will forget, and his punishment won’t be what it once would have been,” Trump said. “What a sad situation.”

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Monday appeared to agree with Trump, calling on the Obama administration to suspend many of Rahami’s constitutional rights by designating him an “enemy combatant.” The label that would allow prosecutors and investigators to forego reading Rahami his Miranda rights or appointing a lawyer to defend him.

    In 2013, Graham and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to be tried as an enemy combatant following the Boston Marathon bombing. Tsarnaev carried out the terror attack with his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed by police before he could be apprehended. The Obama administration refused Graham’s request, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s case was tried in a civilian court.

    (Not a staunch protector of the constitution)
     
  2. amberbeer

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    Trump is such a jerk playing on the ignorance of his supporters who are too stupid or just lazy to think for themselves. Just like the guy who posted the "Obama bans Pledge of Allegiance" thread.
     
  3. Doc50

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    You would think he would have alienated any reasonable person by now.
     
  4. amberbeer

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    I think he has alienated all reasonable people.
     
  5. Doc50

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    The mindset that we've come to expect is one of righteous arrogance that goes so far as to disregard basic human rights that are constitutionally guaranteed. This of course includes extensive profiling, which Trump re-emphasized yesterday. The exclusionary policies that have been promulgated by the right (like voter disenfranchisement) indicate that there is at least a subconscious (if not overt) undercurrent of belief that all men are not actually created equal. Add the omnipresent fear-mongering rhetoric to that, and you have an element of society that cannot be tolerant, empathetic, and without fear of certain minorities. Some are therefore guilty until proven innocent, and are deserving of any harsh treatment they may receive during and after arrest because of preconceived notions about how they have infringed upon or endangered the the lives of citizens that matter. The "Black Lives Matter" movement is a very logical response to this growing social issue.

    Unfortunately, this exclusive attitude is grossly un-American. The indigenous people of this continent are the only ones who can say they're not born of immigrants, but they've mostly lost their voice.

    In the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"
     
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  6. ABQCOWBOY

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    Out of curiosity, did any of you watch his speech on this?
     
  7. iceberg

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    you'd think no one could ever vote for hillary the liar - but they do. if you don't feel it's unreasonable to support her, then fine. but those supporting trump feel the same way for their own reasons. instead of bashing each other maybe we can ask questions about why we feel the way we do and treat people as individuals, not stereotypes.
     
  8. Inferno2ss

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    The issue with that quote is it is not the full thing. The media is cherry picking on what he was saying.

    He was saying it is sad that criminals like this guy get top notch care, while our US Veterans are waiting on line for days and sometimes even weeks.

    This is what is so sad about the bias media, they are totally dishonest and willing to EDIT and cherry pick to create their own headlines.

    God forbid if Donald Trump points it out, but NY terrorist will get better treatment than some US vets
     
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  9. DanteEXT

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    Nothing in your link supports your premise of what he was saying. At least that I can see.

    Yes trump was lamenting the care he may receive. And yes our vets are having to wait too long for care. But not seeing where trump was saying that though.


     
  10. Doc50

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    Trump was lamenting the fact that we have to respect the rights of the accused, another example of his personal arrogance with regard to societal rules and constitutional rights (I recently posted about his problem with the first amendment).

    The balance of the above-referenced post is an attempt to understand the nature of acquired or embedded beliefs that have resulted in some of this country's most glaring social problems and sources of disunity, to the point of hatred and violence.

    It's just meant for thought.

    John Lennon famously said, "All you need is love", and he was ironically murdered by a mentally disturbed person.
     
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  11. ABQCOWBOY

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    Very good point. All you need is love and that's a very true statement, for those who are balanced enough or civilized enough to value human life. It falls short when dealing with individuals that do not hold or incapable of holding such values.

    Interestingly enough, John Lennon was really not that great of a guy. He cheated on his wives regularly, he beat women and his kid. In fact, in an interview, he said that it is usually the biggest offenders of peace that preach it loudest. I thought that that was an interesting introspective on himself.
     
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  12. amberbeer

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    Very well put Doc.
     
  13. Nelson

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    No, we can't get along. The division will come to a head soon and some extreme actions will take place. This "melting pot" ideal sounds wonderful on paper, but it is not realistic. It is human nature to stick with their own culture and things get nasty when the cultures are forced together.
     
  14. amberbeer

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    The whiners will take to he streets in November. Poor babies.
     
  15. Nelson

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    Hillary supporters will be singing the blues. She is sinking fast.
     
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  16. JoeKing

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    It will sadden me no matter who wins. We will not get the person best suited to guiding the country forward but I remain hopeful for the future.
     
  17. amberbeer

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    I disagree. Hillary has been vilified by the right. She is more than qualified to be President. Fox News has done a great job of demonizing her.
     
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  18. JoeKing

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    I said best suited not qualified. You only need to be 35 with a pulse and a natural born citizen to qualify... by that low bar, she qualifies.
     
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  19. amberbeer

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    You only need to be 35 with a pulse and a natural born citizen to qualify is what republicans believe. Hence The Donald is your nominee. Democrats beg to differ.
     
  20. JoeKing

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    Beg to differ all you want, it's in the constitution. But, then again, when has that ever stopped a liberal from attempting to argue a point?
     

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